Earlier this year, I wrote about Peer-to-Peer (P2P) Financing as a viable avenue for us to generate 10+% interest income from lending our capital to borrowers who primarily consists of local Small & Medium-sized enterprises (SMEs). Also, I shared my experience as a lender (a.k.a investor) with Funding Societies, one of the six P2P financing platforms approved by the Securities Commission. You may have a glance at what P2P Financing & Funding Societies are about:

Link: 7 Things You Need to Know about Funding Societies before You Invest

I had invested (or should I say, lent) with Funding Societies since June 2017. Ever since I had collected interest income from my selected borrowers month after month and was glad to boost my lending sum to more borrowers. That is until 7 August 2018 when I received my First Ever Default Notification which is as shown below:

Screenshot from My Gmail Account

Yikes! It has put a ‘dent’ to my supreme 100% record of collecting interest from all of my borrowers thus far. In this article, I’ll first brief you about this deal and its expected returns, the amount defaulted and my share of losses, and provide my views and thoughts about Funding Societies.

Thus, here are 8 key things you need to know about my first loss investing with Funding Societies.

#1: The Fact Sheet  

Before investing (or lending), I would first want to find out who my borrowers are, what businesses are they doing, and their purposes of borrowing. Through Funding Societies, I was able to access these borrowers via their ‘Fact Sheet’ which consists of the following:

    1. The Summary of Company’s Business
    1. The Summary of Directors of the Company
    1. The Summary of Audited Financial Records
    1. Financing Details
  1. Investors’ Repayment Schedule

Screenshot of the Fact Sheet of MBBT-18010018

#2: Who were my Borrowers?

In brief, my borrower is a distributor of glassware and kitchen utensils with a vast retail network of 23 outlets across Malaysia. The company is owned and run by a husband and wife duo, and they have demonstrated great repayment records on their liabilities: Credit Cards, Term Loans, Personal Loans, Overdrafts, Trade Line Facilities, and Hire Purchase Loans.

#3: How much did they Borrow and Why?

They raised RM 400,000 with the purpose of boosting their short-term working capital in anticipation of higher sales arising from post-election of GE14 and as well as the Hari Raya celebrations.

#4: How did they intend to repay?

The RM 400,000 was intended to be repaid in 12 months with a simple interest rate of 14.00%.  

My exposure to this deal was RM 1,000. In my perspective, I would be incurring a 2.00% service fee and thus, net in 11.73% in simple interest rate per year. My schedule of receiving my principal and interest income are tabulated below:

Month

DatePrincipalNet InterestRepayment

Start (0)

22/1/18

(RM 1,000)

0

(RM 1,000)

1 – 11

22nd each

month

RM 83.33

x 11 months

RM 9.77

x 11 months

RM 1,024.10

Final (12)

22/1/19

RM 83.37

RM 9.84

RM 93.21

Total Interest Income Earned

RM 111.73

#5: What Happened?

For the first two months, I received the principal and interest income as usual.

In the third month, there was a late payment for my principal and interest. But, nevertheless, I collected my payment.

In the fourth month onwards, the borrower failed to make their payments. This trend of missed payments followed in the fifth, sixth, and seventh month… This led to the Default Notification as shown above.

In short, after lending RM 1,000, I had received a total of RM 279.30 where the principal recovered was RM 249.99 and interest income was RM 29.31. Thus, I had incurred a loss of RM 720.70 from this lending deal.

#6: What Actions Funding Societies are taking to Recover this Sum?

From the Default Notification, I had learned:

    1. Funding Societies are in touch with the borrower. The team found out that the borrower’s anticipation of higher sales as stated above did not materialise and thus, leading to its missed repayments from the fourth month onwards.
    2. Funding Societies are exploring alternative options to recover back the outstanding amount owed to lenders.
    3. Funding Societies would submit a trade reference against the company and is in the midst of preparing for the commencement of the legal action to heighten efforts of debt collection from their end.
    4. Some of the staffs at Funding Societies had lent money to the same borrower. As such, their interests are aligned with lenders (I’m included too) and would be motivated to recover as much money as they possibly can from this borrower.
  1. On 10 August 2018, the lawyers appointed by Funding Societies have issued Letters of Demand (LOD) to the borrower where the borrower was given another 7 days to pay the Outstanding Debt Amount. If the borrower failed to pay, the lawyers would begin the legal proceedings against them. Funding Societies is organising a crowdfunding exercise to raise funds for the related legal costs and would provide an update on it.

#7: What’s the Impact to My Portfolio at Funding Societies?

Fortunately, it is just a ‘scratch’ to my existing portfolio.

As of 27 August 2018, my annualised portfolio return is 11.14% after including the loss of my principal. Presently, I have 53 ongoing investment deals worth a total of RM 41,764.58. From it, my expected returns are estimated to be a total of RM 6,799.58, assuming ‘no more defaults’ from my other borrowers.

Screenshot of my account with Funding Societies

#8: So, What is the key to investing successfully with Funding Societies?

The answer is ‘Diversification’.

Let’s do some maths. I have RM 41,764.58 with 53 borrowers. Thus, my risk or exposure per borrower is around RM 788, less than RM 1,000. This, I believe, is an effective measure to mitigate the impact of losses incurred from one single borrower onto my portfolio.

There are two ways to go about it. First, you may customise your investments by setting the lending amount and study the profile of each borrower through the fact sheet as the screenshot above. As for myself, I use an auto investment bot where I had set my own investment criteria. The bot would filter the relevant deals and would make the investment for me, thus, is more convenient.

Screenshot of One of my Auto Investment Bots

From above, I had limited my maximum exposure to a specific deal at RM 1,000 only. As such, if a deal went wrong, the maximum loss I incur is RM 1,000, thus, effectively limited my loss from my entire portfolio.

Update 1 Feb 2019

This issuer had made an additional 20% repayment after a series of collection effort by Funding Societies. And they had agreed to restructure, to pay back the balance in the next 24 months.

Conclusion:

In short, losing RM 720.70 from this deal is definitely not cool. After all, nobody likes to lose. However, I was briefed candidly about this loss and their efforts to recover this loss from Funding Societies. Thus, I had gained more confidence in Funding Societies as they had been transparent, proactive and protective of my investments made in their platform.

As I write, Funding Societies had progressed as they had funded a total of RM 643.71 million to local SMEs. To-date, their default rate stands at 1.14% which is relatively decent in my books. Thus, if you are interested in investing via Funding Societies, you may sign up via the link below:

Link: Sign Up to Invest at Funding Societies

Disclosure: The above is my referral link. Many had used it and thus, allowing me and you (both of us) to be credited an extra RM 30 which can be used for investments in Funding Societies by Funding Societies.

Quiz: How much do you know about Funding Societies?


KCLau
KCLau

Personal finance author and trainer

    29 replies to "My First Loss Investing with Funding Societies"

    • N

      I trust if u update again would be in losing position. Keeping silent just because u hv a referral link.

      • KCLau

        I haven’t been investing in any new notes with Funding Societies for the past few years due to non-resident maximum tax rate, making it not worthwhile in my case anymore.
        Please do your due diligence before investing.

    • rohit

      Which one of the product is more preferable with lower risks:
      – MBBT- fees is 2%
      – Others (AR, AP, Dealer finance)- fees is 30%
      Any suggestions (apart from fees ofcourse)

      Regards
      rohit

    • motoreza

      I found this particular post after looking for some assurance towards P2P funding.. and i think this is very helpful to boost up my confidence towards making investments through P2P funding.. Thanks, KC for your insightful review.. i think i might just try with the minimal amount then until my confidence build up…

      thanks again..

    • Aaron Ang

      Hi KC, if i use the auto invest bots and then realise that the bot invested in a company that has a high default rating. Can i still opt out from there or is it not possible?

      • KCLau

        You can opt out before the investment plan go live.

    • Lee

      Hi KC Thanks for sharing your story!

      Can you please let us readers know what was the bond rating for the defaulted investment that you mentioned? that would be extremely informative.

      Best Regards,
      Lee

    • moot

      Please do study how China P2P business bubble burst and vaporised millions of investor billions of RMB.
      When shit hits the fans, your P2P money have nothing to fall back on.

    • season123

      you guys should not invest in fundingsocieties. It is too risky. The late return unpaid loan is currently as high as your potential return. There are some alternative like Mintos, guarantee to buy back capital in case of default. Do you get buyback capital in fundingsocieties?

    • Tan Soo Chee

      I would like to share some experience in auto bot function too.
      https://riggit88.blogspot.com/2019/07/funding-society-my-first-investment-in.html

    • Wong Hung Khin

      How’s the case? Is it settle?

    • ERIC

      Excellent insights, Master KC Lau.
      I have been investing in FS since July 2017. As of 2 March 2019, my annualised performance is 10.37% p.a. Presently, I have 106 ongoing investment deals worth a total of RM 13,874.68 and five defaulted notes.

    • Murat Yas

      funding socities are recently giving loan to high risk companies and roll over loans again and again to keep its default rate low. Especially, auto-loan option became too risky nowadays. I had small investment and recently withdrew all.

      • KCLau

        Got to monitor the loan quality.. and don’t opt in on those you are not comfortable with.

    • hans

      Your updates are important to me, diversification is the key but that doesn’t mean that we can normalize the defaulters. i hope you can do more to recover the losses including stern legal actions.

    • Kratos

      Defaults are inevitable in P2P lending. Diversification is key.
      This has a lot of tips to stay positive returns even in case of a default.

      https://crowdfundtalks.com/topic/112/people-who-currently-invest-in-have-invested-in-p2p-financing-what-are-your-top-tips/

    • Chungsoon

      Thank you for this update. It’s important for everyone to know that there are real down sides to this. But it seems like their marketing does live up to what has happened thus far 🙂

      • Darren Lam

        clear research and study need to be done before you place any investment.

    • BeginnerInvestor

      Hi KC,

      Would you mind to share your Auto Investment bot setting? There are 3 type but you just only share one of it.

      • Kratos

        Yes I’m interested to see how you strategise auto invest as well

    • NotAnInsider

      You mentioned the following:

      “Some of the staffs at Funding Societies had lent money to the same borrower. As such, their interests are aligned with lenders (I’m included too) and would be motivated to recover as much money as they possibly can from this borrower.”

      Isn’t this a conflict of interest and insider trading?

      • KCLau

        It means the people working in Funding Societies also lend money to the borrower, as one of the investors in the pool, together with us.
        There is nothing to do with trading, or insider trade. It is utterly irrelevant.

        • My2cents

          Staffs of FS should not be allowed to invest in their own p2p as such their interest would be biased to the ones they invested in. They should be independent. Moreover they are privy to more information (insider information) than the common public which hinders “fairness” to the rest of the public investors. Unless FS has a mechanism or internal control to counter the above.

          • KCLau

            What I heard from them is that they require all management personnel of FS to participate in every deal they put up. In this case, they will take the loss too when the deals go south. That is to align their interest with ours.
            Imagine your stock broker ask you to buy Stock A, and he didn’t put in his money, but he earns the fee when you trade – that’s the case when interest is not aligned.

            • Darren Lam

              but they are the middleman, acting for both the borrowers and the lenders. Interest wise, i still think conflicts exist.

            • Darren Lam

              This P2P platform regulated by SC is acting for both borrowers & lenders. It should stay neutral.

          • Joshua P

            Thanks KC

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